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cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 11:12

Salutare! Mi s-a aprins in bord martorul acela galben si frumos care seamana cu un motor cu elice. Oare de data asta despre ce o mai fi vb? EGR??? Tin sa precizez ca primadata mi s-a dus chestia aia ce vine dedesubt de EGR Clapeta control admisie aer pe la vreo 120000...acuma mi s-a aprins din nou martorul, si tin sa cred ca e vb de egr ,pt ca era intr-o stare proasta ... imi murdarea pe akolo. Chestia e ca oricum o sa o schimb dar am mai citit pe aici ca trebuie facuta adaptare? Eu am mai curatat ansamblul odata si nu am avut probleme pana acuma de adaptare etc ... oricum am scos mufa de la clapeta de admiesie aer si surprizaaaaa mi s-a stins martorul si nu s-a mai aprins deocamdata. Deci trebuie adaptare pt egr? (egr face numa vacum si este actionat pneumatic) nu are senzori si fire etc ..doar cel de admisie...hmmmm mi se pare dubios. Nu notez nici o diferenta de putere zgomote etc (doar o chestie mai veche si adica un suierat frumos cand intra turbo de zici ca e pe benzina,asta il am de muuuuuult si sincer imi cam place dar totusi ma intreb ce ar putea fi? tot de la EGR ) Sper sa primesc ceva raspunsuri concrete si sa nu zica moderatorii ca nu am cautat pe forum pt ca nu am gasit nimic concret la Leon 1p1 2006 BKD
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 11:19

moderatorii iti spun ca fara scanare si cod de eroare postat nu isi poate da nimeni cu parerea despre ce probleme ai la masina :)

- faptul ca ai scos mufa de la clapeta shut-off (cea care are corp comun cu EGRul) si a disparut eroarea e doar o coincidenta. oricum eroarea a ramas stocata in ECU, fa o scanare.
- murdaritul EGR e un lucru normal la TDI
- dupa curatare EGR nu se face nicio adaptare
- suieratul cand intra turbo nu trebuie sa il consideri "frumos" pt ca e un semn ca turbo a imbatranit. la o turbina noua acel sunet nu se aude. daca se aude pronuntat atunci turbina te anunta ca e pe moarte...
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 11:27

Da ok ai dreptate ...o sa fac si scanarea si o sa revin cu detali. In legatura cu turbo sau turbina ma rog am uitat sa precizez ca suieratul se aude si in frana de motor . Oare lucra si akolo turbo? Si problema asta cu suieratul o am de vre-o 60 000 km si nu mi-o dat semne de slabiciune...totusi iti zic ca nu e un suierat specific ca se duce turbo sau turbina e unul chiar "frumos" nu stiu cum as putea sa il descriu poate o inregistrare video sau doar sunet ca sa va dati atuncea cu parerea . Numa sa imi ziceti unde sa il incarc ca nu as vrea pe yt sau fb...
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 11:30

am uitat : nu ii vb ca se murdareste egr dar are ca o scurgere de gaze si sau ulei,care imi murdareste alte lucruri pe akolo shtoff ala si furtunul acela gros :P
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 12:09

EGRul are doua locuri prin care "lacrimeaza" (se strang in picaturi vaporii de ulei). motive pentru care ajung vapori de ulei acolo sunt mai multe...
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 18:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFq7D9rRp50 suieratul captat din exterior
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwD0lkCb-QQ si interior bineinteles
Ciuliti bine urechile ..hehehe
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 18:31

Eu zic ca e suierat de turbina, insa nu e pronuntat. Eu unul l-as ignora. :hi

 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 18:40

da si eu zic ca si roger e vb de turbo...ca si la valentin la jetta...
concretizez material toate gandurile creatoare utile revelatiei functiei mele interioare si mi le asum cu toata libertatea...
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 19:29

Sunetul e de la turbina (uzura odata cu anii si km), nu ai ce sa ii faci. La valentin e un pic mai pronuntat. Iti fac eu o scanare cand vii pe aici sa vedem ce eroare ai.

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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 20:23

Ok ms baieti . De vazut sigur o sa ne vedem candva. De scanat am si eu vag908 numai ca mi-e cam lene sa caut cablu... O sa vad pe weeck-end! Si am sa revin cu logu. Sunt membru din 2008 pe acest forum si am mai multe postari numai ca mi-am uitat parola si mailu etc.
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 20:41

Pai si in ce oras esti ? :bounce:

Si daca vrei sa ne masuram in zgomot de turbo castig detasat :yh
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

14 Mai 2014, 21:42

Hahahaha sa ne masuram puterile in zgomot turbo ... Misto asta dar nu suntem benzinari :)) Herentals!
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

15 Mai 2014, 17:00

deeci am revenit cu log-ul din scanare 1:
Address 01: Engine Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl Part No SW: 03G 906 021 LL HW: 03G 906 021 LL Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 9850 Revision: --H02--- Serial number: SEZ7Z0F3502384 Coding: 0050072 Shop #: WSC 00011 781 93875
1 Fault Found: 004708 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 2 (N241): Regulation Range Exceeded P1264 - 000 - - - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00110000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Mileage: 194378 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2000.00.00 Time: 09:45:50
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101 Revision: 00H11001 Coding: 0006786 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl Part No: 1P0 907 044 Component: ClimatronicPQ35 008 0303 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Part No: 1P0 955 119 A Component: Wischer SE350 012 0403 Coding: 00056272 Shop #: WSC 06402
Freeze Frame: ON Voltage: 10.20 V OFF ON ON ON OFF
Freeze Frame: ON Voltage: 10.20 V OFF ON ON ON OFF

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:11:28:13314 Page 3
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E HW: 3C0 937 049 E Component: Bordnetz-SG H37 1002 Revision: 00H37000 Serial number: 00000004117475 Coding: A1880F2F00041000001D00000000000000017F075C Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
2 Faults Found: 01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 74 Mileage: 193562 km Time Indication: 0
01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J398) 004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 74 Mileage: 193562 km Time Indication: 0

No fault code found.
Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX Component: E0221 002 0010
No fault code found.
No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:11:28:13314 Page 4
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 H HW: 3C0 909 605 H Component: R3 AIRBAG VW8 027 2521 Revision: 09027000 Serial number: 003A1PA2FZBQ Coding: 0021043 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AG HW: 1K0 953 549 AG Component: J0527 634 0070 Coding: 0002042 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl Part No: 1P0 920 823 F Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VO3 0422 Coding: 0002101 Shop #: WSC 09034 843 13691
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


No fault code found.
No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:11:28:13314 Page 5
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951 Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150 Revision: H12 Serial number: 3100106502810C Coding: 3D3F034007000202 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
2 Faults Found: 01334 - Door Control Module; Rear Right (J398) 004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 74 Mileage: 193562 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2000.00.00 Time: 12:11:09
01333 - Door Control Module; Rear Left (J388) 004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100100 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 74 Mileage: 193562 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2000.00.00 Time: 12:11:09
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.lbl Part No: 1P0 920 823 F Component: IMMO VO3 0422 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 G HW: 1K0 959 793 M Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1129 Revision: 31008001 Serial number: 00000026969121 Coding: 0000176 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No fault code found.
Part No: 1P0 951 171 Component: Innenraumueberw.010 4971 Coding: 00000000 Shop #: WSC 06402
Component: NGS n.mounted

No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:11:28:13314 Page 6
Part No: 1K0 951 605 C Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x.lbl Part No: 1K1 909 144 L Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.077 H07 1806 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT HW: 1K0 959 433 BT Component: KSG PQ35 G2 020 0202 Revision: 00020000 Serial number: 00000000000000 Coding: 198000005283CC7F00060F0F60084F86107C80 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
1 Fault Found: 01135 - Interior Monitoring Sensors 004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100100 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 39 Reset counter: 94 Time Indication: 0
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 G HW: 1K0 959 792 M Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1123 Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000050768516 Coding: 0000176 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:11:28:13314 Page 7
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl Part No: 1P1 035 186 B Component: Radio BVX 0006 Coding: 0040424 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 N HW: 1K0 959 795 H Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1105 Revision: 11005001 Serial number: 00000000052818 Coding: 0000144 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
1 Fault Found: 01813 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Rear Left (J388) 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100001 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 79 Mileage: 194105 km Time Indication: 0

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 N HW: 1K0 959 794 H Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1105 Revision: 11005001 Serial number: 00000000020788 Coding: 0000144 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
1 Fault Found: 01814 - Supply Voltage for Door Controller; Rear Right (J389) 001 - Upper Limit Exceeded - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00100001 Fault Priority: 4 Fault Frequency: 1 Reset counter: 79 Mileage: 194105 km Time Indication: 0
 
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

15 Mai 2014, 17:01

dupa ce am sters DTC a mai ramas cel cu injectorul
VCDS Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator VCDS Version: Release 908.0 Data version: 20090911 www.Ross-Tech.com
Dealer/Shop Name: Workshop Code: 000 00000
Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:16:01:13314
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate: Mileage: 194510km-120862mi Repair Order:
Chassis Type: 1K0 Scan: 01 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 42 44 46 52 56 62 72
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 Mileage: 194510km/120862miles
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000 01-Engine -- Status: Malfunction 0010 03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000 08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000 09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000 15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000 16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000 17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000 19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000 25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000 42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000 44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000 46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000 52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000 56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000 62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000 72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Freeze Frame: RPM: 798 /min Speed: 0.0 km/h Load: 0.0 % Voltage: 13.98 V Inj. Quantity: 0.26 mg/str Temperature: 80.1°C (no units): 0.0
Readiness: 0 1 0 0 0
No fault code found.
No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:16:01:13314 Page 2
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 01: Engine Labels: 03G-906-016-BKD.lbl Part No SW: 03G 906 021 LL HW: 03G 906 021 LL Component: R4 2,0L EDC G000SG 9850 Revision: --H02--- Serial number: SEZ7Z0F3502384 Coding: 0050072 Shop #: WSC 00011 781 93875
1 Fault Found: 004708 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 2 (N241): Regulation Range Exceeded P1264 - 000 - - - Intermittent Freeze Frame: Fault Status: 00110000 Fault Priority: 2 Fault Frequency: 1 Mileage: 194378 km Time Indication: 0 Date: 2000.00.00 Time: 09:45:50
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101 Revision: 00H11001 Coding: 0006786 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-907-044.lbl Part No: 1P0 907 044 Component: ClimatronicPQ35 008 0303 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Part No: 1P0 955 119 A Component: Wischer SE350 012 0403 Coding: 00056272 Shop #: WSC 06402
No fault code found.
No fault code found.
Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX Component: E0221 002 0010
No fault code found.
No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:16:01:13314 Page 3
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E HW: 3C0 937 049 E Component: Bordnetz-SG H37 1002 Revision: 00H37000 Serial number: 00000004117475 Coding: A1880F2F00041000001D00000000000000017F075C Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 H HW: 3C0 909 605 H Component: R3 AIRBAG VW8 027 2521 Revision: 09027000 Serial number: 003A1PA2FZBQ Coding: 0021043 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AG HW: 1K0 953 549 AG Component: J0527 634 0070 Coding: 0002042 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl Part No: 1P0 920 823 F Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VO3 0422 Coding: 0002101 Shop #: WSC 09034 843 13691
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No fault code found.
No fault code found.
No fault code found.
No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:16:01:13314 Page 4
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951 Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150 Revision: H12 Serial number: 3100106502810C Coding: 3D3F034007000202 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.lbl Part No: 1P0 920 823 F Component: IMMO VO3 0422 Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MAX3.lbl Part No SW: 1T0 959 701 G HW: 1K0 959 793 M Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1129 Revision: 31008001 Serial number: 00000026969121 Coding: 0000176 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x.lbl Part No: 1K1 909 144 L Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.077 H07 1806 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Part No: 1P0 951 171 Component: Innenraumueberw.010 4971 Coding: 00000000 Shop #: WSC 06402
Component: NGS n.mounted
No fault code found.
No fault code found.
No fault code found.
No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:16:01:13314 Page 5
Part No: 1K0 951 605 C Component: LIN BACKUP HORN H03 1301
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 BT HW: 1K0 959 433 BT Component: KSG PQ35 G2 020 0202 Revision: 00020000 Serial number: 00000000000000 Coding: 198000005283CC7F00060F0F60084F86107C80 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MAX3.lbl Part No SW: 1T0 959 702 G HW: 1K0 959 792 M Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1123 Revision: 11006001 Serial number: 00000050768516 Coding: 0000176 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl Part No: 1P1 035 186 B Component: Radio BVX 0006 Coding: 0040424 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN3.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 N HW: 1K0 959 795 H Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1105 Revision: 11005001 Serial number: 00000000052818 Coding: 0000144 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No fault code found.

VCDS Self-Diagnosis Log Thursday,15,May,2014,14:16:01:13314 Page 6
VIN: VSSZZZ1PZ7R005371 License Plate:
Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN3.lbl Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 N HW: 1K0 959 794 H Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1105 Revision: 11005001 Serial number: 00000000020788 Coding: 0000144 Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
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Re: cred ca e vorba despre EGR

15 Mai 2014, 17:13

pt eroarea asta ce am mai gasit pe net este :

17672/P1264/004708 - PD Unit Injector: Cylinder 2 (N241): Regulation Range Exceeded
Possible Symptoms
Drivability Issues
Reduced Power
Rough Engine Running
Increased Emission Values
Possible Causes
Regulation times exceeded
Contact resistance
Possible Solutions
Check Injectors and Injector Wiring
See Meas. Value Block 018
Check Resistance of Injectors/Wiring

Scoate bujia si fa-i o verificare.

Mie nu mi se pare ca ar avea vre-o simtoma masina , singura eroare din bord a fost martorul galben cu motorasul si dupa ce am scos cablul de la shut off a disparut si nu a mai aparut desi am tot testat-o...hmmmm mie mi se pare ca merge tot c inainte . dar nu inteleg dupa ce am sters dtc am facut scanare din nou. oare trebuia totusi sa pornesc masina si doar dupa sa fac iara testul sau nu are legatura? Totusi eu cred ca ar trebui sa schimb egr-u pt ca aveam asta de mult in plan. mi-a fost zis mai de mult de la seat cand mi-o schimbat shutoff-u ca egr-ul urmeaza,deoarece dupa schimbare m-am intors revoltat ca iara ii murdar shutoff si mi-a explicat ca egr-u murdarea ...DECI????????????????????

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